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  Stopping Thought Stopping.

  by Peeringin in

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  im sure that many on this forum will be aware of the thought-stopping techniques that are taught by jws/wts to suppress difficult thoughts and overcome cognitive dissonance in favour of reverting back to belief in wts.. often in conversation these will be clear verbal cues that can sound unnatural during the course of a conversation, as though an individual is temporarily reading a script to overcome a difficult point.. my question to you all is this:.

  are there any methods or resources that people are aware of that can help to break through a thought stopping mechanism when it is noticeably in effect?

  a question perhaps, or technique that will encourage the individual to think the thought through in its entirety?.

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  I think questions are a good way to do it, or to tie in what they believe to actual events. A witness at work who is always doing the "the world is so bad" line is one I do the actual events on. When ISIS was destroying temples, she complained about the art being destroyed. I said Well they believe it's pagan. It's no different than the Israelite's going around and destroying all the pagan temples and art. Silence and big eyes. She says it's terrible the people they are killing. I say yes it is, they took homosexuals to the tops of roofs and threw them off. Silence.

  I've also discussed with her that there are people that are born with both the X and Y so that doctors don't know what gender they are. That homosexuals are really born that way. That caused her to think.

  Will this all mean something down the road to her? I don't know. But as they say A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
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  irrefutable proof of the great apostasy that corrupted the catholic church

  by TTWSYF in

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  2. bible

  when the emperor constantine legalized christianity in the roman empire around 311ad he allowed or introduced a flood of half converted pagans and allowed the corruption that sullied the true faith and ruined christianity until a time when it could be restored to the true and pure faith that it was intended to become.

  many people here know that to be a fact.

  it's a common sense theory, right?.

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  Since religion is a business, no one wants to share the profits and so they whine about "counterfeits"
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  The New York Times Article on Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Tenacious in

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  2. bible

  the following story appeared in the new york times today:.

  surviving the death of my son after the death of my faith.

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  days of future passed

  She expresses well, how you might feel and think after religion goes away from your life. I have similar thoughts about death.

  It's also surprising how children connect events like thunderstorms as being God bringing judgement on them. I thought the same way. I also read Mark Twain's book about his life and every time a thunderstorm happened, he would pray and beg to God that he would from then on be a good boy. Funny how religion does that.
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  New convention video

  by Olig in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i've just seen a snippet of a new convention release, and it's obviously a reenactment (bloody poor one - look at the state of the disposable beards lol!

  ) of bible times.. the chap speaking is heard saying if your family members turn away and serve false gods, you should kill them!.

  https://twitter.com/jfnilsen/status/1133000862719270912?s=09.

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  I think it would be interesting if confronted by a family member or "friend" over this, to pick up a stone and hand it to them and say "here's a rock, why don't you stone me with it?" Just trying to show the reality of what they have been encouraged to do.
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  Convention 2019: Children told don't form emotional attachment to pets!

  by Nathan R. Koppe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have just heard from a visitor to the jehovah's witnesses convention for 2019, that they have been told; 'not to form an emotional attachment to their pets, as animals don't have feelings anyway'.. well, that should break a few children hearts!👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 🥴 😭 💔.

  my orignal topics are at.

  further info:.

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  If I didn't have pets when I was young, I wouldn't have felt loved by anyone. When I was a teenager and Armageddon coming to destroy to me, I contemplated suicide. The thought of my pets missing me kept me back.

  Children and adults need love and if it isn't available from family or friends, a pet can give it.
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  So how "worldly" did you get after you left the "truth"

  by greenhornet in

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  2. friends

  i don't drive a 4 door car.

  lol.

  i go to a local christian church.

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  Toesup We went to a church, for a high school graduation. I took a few more paper towels than I would have been able to take at the KH. lol

  
  

  Do you know how long it took for me to even use two paper towels in a restroom?
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  Shift in beliefs?

  by blankspace in

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  2. beliefs

  i was wondering whether anyone observed this point in the previous week's wt study, in paragraph 17: "jehovah’s spirit moves “the faithful steward” to keep giving his servants their food supply.".

  i see this as a subtle move away from earlier claims to be channel for spiritual food.

  the gb earlier said that they weren't inspired or infallible.

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  I remember the articles about how Holy Spirit is used to pick the elders. How the GB is chosen and inspired by Holy Spirit. How they made changes with the Holy Spirit.

  All this in effect, made them infallible. Because when you have God using the Holy Spirit to "illuminate" the scriptures to the GB to make these changes, you couldn't be making mistakes or be wrong. Hence their use of "new light" as an explanation and all of the mumbo jumbo that went into using the illustration of how when the sun comes up, gradually you will see more detail and so the understanding becomes much clearer etc. Then you had the "tacking" of the ship explanation. All of this piling on explaining their flip flopping, means that not everyone was buying it so they had come up with something else. It also put into the followers minds, that nothing is clear cut with the workings of Holy Spirit and so they should leave it to the GB.

  Then the article came out about them not being infallible and that they were "spirit directed" instead of Holy spirit inspiring them. Which to me means the GB is not going to accept responsibility for past "mistakes" or present ones. They can wash their hands of it all. And the regular JW's love that the leaders are being "so humble" and are just like them.
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  Remember when we lodged in private homes at conventions?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  2. experiences

  i bring this up now because i haven't seen any postings about that practice because i got out in 1977. when did wt quit soliciting private homes for accomodations?

  or have they stopped?.

  i hated it, but it was the only way we could afford to go.

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  My mother took all four of us girls to Pasadena from the Bay Area in an Impala. We stayed at a house. The people were really nice but I don't remember the details of their house so much.

  I do remember that it was so stinking hot, my older sister got a bloody nose that wouldn't stop and so we left early one day from the convention. She had her face over a cone of newspaper.

  What did we learn at the convention? Who knows.
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  Oh how this religion has changed! Would this have been permitted 20 years ago??

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  https://m.facebook.com/100002613343180/posts/2271710659592690?sfns=mo.

  would the old-timers even recognise this religion anymore?.

  this is from one of the international conventions held this year.

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  Well the US had all of those "happy" dances going on a while back. How is this any different than Christendom "blessing" pagan objects so they are "holy?" More like Holy Crap!
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  Crazy ass excuses

  by Crazyguy2 in

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  2. beliefs

  so it was brought up lately that my lack of faith is partially do to stories in the bible like the one in samuel where god kills david’s first born son.

  the excuse i heard today wasn’t that god killed david’s son no he just didn’t bless him so then he died.

  wtf!!!

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  days of future passed

  David killed a lot of people by disobeying God.

  1. Counted the Israelites - Did David die or get punished? No, 70,000 israelites died.
  2. Had sex with a married woman which is punishable by death for both - Did David die or Bathsheba? No. The child that didn't have a choice got killed.
  3. Killed Bathsheba's husband - Didn't die.

  And let's not forget that God "rewarded" the two of them with Solomon who also got some freebies in life with all of his wives, chariots etc.

  God is good to his "friends" but if you aren't, you can get instant death like the poor guy who touched the ark because it was tilting.

  I can think of numerous excuses the WT has provided for God, as to why he was right in doing these things.

  By the way, if you read the choices David had for punishment when he counted the nation, the first was having enemies come and fight them, the second was a famine. Both would have impacted David and his finances more than the plague he chose. And it doesn't appear that David thought he could possibly die. It's all good....